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Abortion
Apr 9, 2024 15:48:44 GMT -5
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Post by conchydong on Apr 9, 2024 15:48:44 GMT -5
Bimini not all women think the same way. Are you married?
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 15:53:01 GMT -5
Bimini not all women think the same way. Are you married? Yes, and she's pro choice.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 15:53:56 GMT -5
Bimini not all women think the same way. Are you married? Yes, and she's pro choice. Our state's rights friends should have no concerns about letting the voters decide.
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Abortion
Apr 9, 2024 15:54:47 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 9, 2024 15:54:47 GMT -5
Even more lucky that any Federal law so passed to interfere with a State’s right to regulate abortion would be unconstitutional. Minus a Federal Constitutional Amendment, abortion is a State’s rights issue, just as the equivalent issue of slavery was. They could pass a federal law that life begins at 12 weeks and states can only control abortion after life begins. I doubt SCOTUS would overturn that. It could, in effect, allow abortions before that period and allow states to regulate anything after. If they said life begins at 12 weeks, then all abortions after 12 weeks would violate the 14th Amendment for depriving a person of their life without Due Process. What I suspect the Supreme Court would say is that the Federal government has not been given the authority to define when life begins for the purposes of abortion. That would preclude Federal statutes that seek to either legalize and ban abortion at the national level. Therefore only each State can define when pre-born life begins for the purpose of allowing or disallowing abortion. That’s basically what they’ve already telegraphed in Dobbs.
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Abortion
Apr 9, 2024 15:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by conchydong on Apr 9, 2024 15:57:07 GMT -5
Bimini not all women think the same way. Are you married? Yes, and she's pro choice. And my wife is not so we cancel each other out.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 15:59:50 GMT -5
Yes, and she's pro choice. And my wife is not so we cancel each other out. Then you have nothing to fear from the electorate deciding, or the effect up and down the ballot.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 16:07:05 GMT -5
Today: The reproductive-rights clock is being rolled back to a time when obstetricians didn't know they needed to wash their hands.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 9, 2024 16:37:49 GMT -5
Just like our kids leading live's completely different than what we think they do (as we ourselves did) I suspect that many women may not vote as conservative as they tell their husband's they do. I could be completely wrong but I think this next couple of election cycles is probably going to be a testament to that.
As far as Arizona goes anyone especially women who can't see this is nothing more than control is a partisan stooge. Abortion with no exception is not pro life. It's pro control. I am far from pro Abortion. I think it's an absolute shit place to be for anyone to have to make those decisions. Forcing a woman to carry a nonviable fetus to term is cruel and inhuman. We don't even allow prisoners who are child molesters and murders that kind of treatment. Forcing a child to carry a child fromm her dad,brother, uncle, grandpa is almost as disgusting. I can't fathom the trauma that that girl will feel evry time she looks at the child followed by the trauma of that child once he finds out he or she is the product of sexual violence let alone committed by a blood relative.
I wish I had the answers but I don't. Pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't fix anything. And that's just what is being done with the ban all abortion crowd is doing. The affluent talk a good game but have no problem sending ther daughters out if state for a few days to "take care of the problem" the poor who can least afford it to begin with and are more likely to end up pregnant don't have that luxury. Like the article that I posted yesterday about the girl raped in high school. While I am less sympathetic to grown people I absolutely hate to see an innocent child suffer. And that's exactly what that child did for over a year. She couldn't hear couldn't see had absolutely no idea what world she was born into and suffered painful seizures with no way of crying out for help or ever knowing the soothing touch of her mother. The only thing she knew with what little brain activity she had was PAIN and FEAR. Breeders put dogs to death for far less abnormalities.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 16:47:48 GMT -5
Just one more reason to dislike and distrust politicians.
They adapt a stance on abortion to enhance their likelihood of being elected not upon their own personal beliefs.
Politicians just suck. All of them
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Abortion
Apr 9, 2024 19:50:17 GMT -5
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Post by tonyroma on Apr 9, 2024 19:50:17 GMT -5
So… in Arizona does the rapist have to pay child support? And after they leave prison in 7-10 years does he have visitation rights? All questions Arizonans will need to contemplate.
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Abortion
Apr 9, 2024 20:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 9, 2024 20:36:13 GMT -5
So… in Arizona does the rapist have to pay child support? And after they leave prison in 7-10 years does he have visitation rights? All questions Arizonans will need to contemplate. news.yahoo.com/man-raped-12-old-awarded-114904992.html'This is insane. Nothing has been right about this since it was originally investigated,' says victim's lawyer
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Abortion
Apr 9, 2024 20:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 9, 2024 20:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 20:42:02 GMT -5
Republican panic is setting in. All these politicians trying to rewrite their own history and getting owned with receipts of all their anti-abortion votes and proposals.
Want Roe?
Vote Joe.
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Post by luapnor on Apr 9, 2024 20:54:23 GMT -5
Just like our kids leading live's completely different than what we think they do (as we ourselves did) I suspect that many women may not vote as conservative as they tell their husband's they do. I could be completely wrong but I think this next couple of election cycles is probably going to be a testament to that. As far as Arizona goes anyone especially women who can't see this is nothing more than control is a partisan stooge. Abortion with no exception is not pro life. It's pro control. I am far from pro Abortion. I think it's an absolute shit place to be for anyone to have to make those decisions. Forcing a woman to carry a nonviable fetus to term is cruel and inhuman. We don't even allow prisoners who are child molesters and murders that kind of treatment. Forcing a child to carry a child fromm her dad,brother, uncle, grandpa is almost as disgusting. I can't fathom the trauma that that girl will feel evry time she looks at the child followed by the trauma of that child once he finds out he or she is the product of sexual violence let alone committed by a blood relative. I wish I had the answers but I don't. Pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't fix anything. And that's just what is being done with the ban all abortion crowd is doing. The affluent talk a good game but have no problem sending ther daughters out if state for a few days to "take care of the problem" the poor who can least afford it to begin with and are more likely to end up pregnant don't have that luxury. Like the article that I posted yesterday about the girl raped in high school. While I am less sympathetic to grown people I absolutely hate to see an innocent child suffer. And that's exactly what that child did for over a year. She couldn't hear couldn't see had absolutely no idea what world she was born into and suffered painful seizures with no way of crying out for help or ever knowing the soothing touch of her mother. The only thing she knew with what little brain activity she had was PAIN and FEAR. Breeders put dogs to death for far less abnormalities. Yup...sort of like forcing children to take an experimental injection...couldnt be more hideous and completely about control.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 22:03:49 GMT -5
Yup. The biggest pandemic in our lifetimes had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was all about control! You tell him!
Oh, wait a minute, this is the abortion thread. Did someone say something about control??? Isn't that odd?
I respect a women's right to choose and control her own body and destiny, and, curiously enough, I'm in the majority in this state and country on the topic.
For those who disagree it would seem that having it on the ballot is hard to spin as a good thing. Then again, the mental gymnastics around here defy logic so I suppose that we shall see.
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