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Abortion
Apr 1, 2024 16:32:14 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 16:32:14 GMT -5
Like I’ve said many times my personal position on abortion is that I don’t agree with it. Being realistic I think there has to be some kind of compromise on how many weeks it should be allowed to occur or the conservatives will lose favor. There are many things that the government allows that I don’t agree with, but you can’t control everything. Like I've said before. I'm good where the "settled law" of Roe Vs. Wade had it for generations of American women . The GOP has, again, over reached and the dog has caught the car it has been chasing for decades. They've put Florida in play, and if nothing else a money drain for an already broke party. Florida won’t be in play. Even if a voter decides to vote for the Amendment, that doesn’t mean they’ll vote Democrat. Having the Amendment on the ballot allows voters to split the issue from the party.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 1, 2024 16:38:33 GMT -5
Like I've said before. I'm good where the "settled law" of Roe Vs. Wade had it for generations of American women . The GOP has, again, over reached and the dog has caught the car it has been chasing for decades. They've put Florida in play, and if nothing else a money drain for an already broke party. Florida won’t be in play. Even if a voter decides to vote for the Amendment, that doesn’t mean they’ll vote Democrat. Having the Amendment on the ballot allows voters to split the issue from the party. We shall see. Regardless it will make Florida much more expensive for the GOP. As far as to whether voters will split the issue from the party, i believe they will give credit where credit is due. They can run, but they can't hide. How'd your theory work out in ruby red Alabama where the Dem won on abortion with a 37 point swing in a Trump district?
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Abortion
Apr 1, 2024 17:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 17:05:40 GMT -5
Florida won’t be in play. Even if a voter decides to vote for the Amendment, that doesn’t mean they’ll vote Democrat. Having the Amendment on the ballot allows voters to split the issue from the party. We shall see. Regardless it will make Florida much more expensive for the GOP. As far as to whether voters will split the issue from the party, i believe they will give credit where credit is due. They can run, but they can't hide. How'd your theory work out in ruby red Alabama where the Dem won on abortion with a 37 point swing in a Trump district? From what little I know of that, the Republican there ran as a moderate and turnout was low. The Democrat received 3,715 votes total. There are 41,016 voters registered in that district. Total turnout was 14.5% That’s not a lot. Republicans didn’t show up. Furthermore, Trump only won that district by 1% in 2020. Doesn’t seem like a hotbed of Red politics to me.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 1, 2024 17:15:28 GMT -5
We shall see. Regardless it will make Florida much more expensive for the GOP. As far as to whether voters will split the issue from the party, i believe they will give credit where credit is due. They can run, but they can't hide. How'd your theory work out in ruby red Alabama where the Dem won on abortion with a 37 point swing in a Trump district? From what little I know of that, the Republican there ran as a moderate and turnout was low. The Democrat received 3,715 votes total. There are 41,016 voters registered in that district. Total turnout was 14.5% That’s not a lot. Republicans didn’t show up. Furthermore, Trump only won that district by 1% in 2020. Doesn’t seem like a hotbed of Red politics to me. I believe this will happen across the country. We shall see in November, but in the meantime it's going to be fun to watch try to distance themselves from the mess they created.
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Abortion
Apr 1, 2024 17:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 17:58:00 GMT -5
From what little I know of that, the Republican there ran as a moderate and turnout was low. The Democrat received 3,715 votes total. There are 41,016 voters registered in that district. Total turnout was 14.5% That’s not a lot. Republicans didn’t show up. Furthermore, Trump only won that district by 1% in 2020. Doesn’t seem like a hotbed of Red politics to me. I believe this will happen across the country. We shall see in November, but in the meantime it's going to be fun to watch try to distance themselves from the mess they created. How will you know they’re not showing up because of abortion, as opposed to Trump?
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Abortion
Apr 1, 2024 18:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 1, 2024 18:04:41 GMT -5
I believe this will happen across the country. We shall see in November, but in the meantime it's going to be fun to watch try to distance themselves from the mess they created. How will you know they’re not showing up because of abortion, as opposed to Trump? We won’t. I think it will be more the latter than former
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Abortion
Apr 1, 2024 18:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 1, 2024 18:15:22 GMT -5
Florida’s women will lose their rights in a month.
But they can get them back by voting to in November.
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Abortion
Apr 1, 2024 21:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 21:38:08 GMT -5
How will you know they’re not showing up because of abortion, as opposed to Trump? We won’t. I think it will be more the latter than former That’s what I think too. There’s going to be a sizable percentage who won’t hold their noses for Trump for whatever reason. But there will also be many who vote against Biden at all costs. Seems like the polls have become more accurate in recent years. If that trend continues, Trump may win. Strange times. I will admit it that the reaction of the Left will amuse me in the short term if Trump wins. Primarily because I think many of the legal cases against him are political (the juries will be partisan as well) and that sort of unfairness offends me. But I think our future is dark either way. I think either men might fold in the face of a Sino-Russian alliance for differing reasons.
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Post by cadman on Apr 2, 2024 5:14:09 GMT -5
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Post by tampaspicer on Apr 2, 2024 9:48:16 GMT -5
Supporting an all out ban on abortion is like signing your death certificate as a politician. Voters are going to have the final say on that.
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 10:22:22 GMT -5
Supporting an all out ban on abortion is like signing your death certificate as a politician. Voters are going to have the final say on that. agreed. really dumb move politically speaking. personally im 100% against abortion with exceptions for rape,incest ,ect. but think 12 weeks is a fair middle ground.
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Post by cadman on Apr 2, 2024 11:18:40 GMT -5
We won’t. I think it will be more the latter than former That’s what I think too. There’s going to be a sizable percentage who won’t hold their noses for Trump for whatever reason. But there will also be many who vote against Biden at all costs. Seems like the polls have become more accurate in recent years. If that trend continues, Trump may win. Strange times. I will admit it that the reaction of the Left will amuse me in the short term if Trump wins. Primarily because I think many of the legal cases against him are political (the juries will be partisan as well) and that sort of unfairness offends me. But I think our future is dark either way. I think either men might fold in the face of a Sino-Russian alliance for differing reasons. You think he is innocent of all the charges against him? I think it may be politically motivated, but Trump is guilty as hell.
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Abortion
Apr 2, 2024 12:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 2, 2024 12:47:18 GMT -5
Man. This isn’t even a hard question to decide on for me.
I have always believed the miracle of life begins at inception.
Hard to agree with abortion except under serious circumstances.
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Abortion
Apr 2, 2024 13:02:54 GMT -5
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Post by johngalt on Apr 2, 2024 13:02:54 GMT -5
That’s what I think too. There’s going to be a sizable percentage who won’t hold their noses for Trump for whatever reason. But there will also be many who vote against Biden at all costs. Seems like the polls have become more accurate in recent years. If that trend continues, Trump may win. Strange times. I will admit it that the reaction of the Left will amuse me in the short term if Trump wins. Primarily because I think many of the legal cases against him are political (the juries will be partisan as well) and that sort of unfairness offends me. But I think our future is dark either way. I think either men might fold in the face of a Sino-Russian alliance for differing reasons. You think he is innocent of all the charges against him? I think it may be politically motivated, but Trump is guilty as hell. Guilty of what? Other than committing the hideous crime of defeating the hildabeast and exposing how corrupt and despotic the government is I haven’t heard of any else. I guess listening to and following the advice of government quacks posing as medical experts could count as a misdemeanor?
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 14:10:54 GMT -5
Add Nevada to the mix.
"The org behind a proposed effort to enshrine abortion rights in Nevada's constitution says they've garnered enough signatures to qualify for the November ballot...to change the state constitution to include the right to an abortion until fetal viability."
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