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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 17:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 17:41:06 GMT -5
p.s. Cigar brand? Just curious.
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Post by biminitwisted on May 16, 2024 17:52:11 GMT -5
gee , I don’t happen to have a copy near me but if you’re inclined to do the research then have at it. If animals weren’t mentioned specifically I would think they were excluded. You don't have a bible near by? The Torah is basically the first five books of the old testament. Animals are mentioned in the old testament. There is debates among religious people on whether or not dogs have souls. Several Popes have said they do. So there are no dogs in heaven? But you do bring up an interesting issue, if a soul is present at conception, how is a fetus represented in heaven. What was this unknown thing called a soul prior to one's birth? Is that being added to the list of what magically happens at the moment of conception now? There's just no way to know these things. What if it's just a electrochemical reaction in all of our brains?
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May 16, 2024 18:05:06 GMT -5
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Post by cadman on May 16, 2024 18:05:06 GMT -5
You don't have a bible near by? The Torah is basically the first five books of the old testament. Animals are mentioned in the old testament. There is debates among religious people on whether or not dogs have souls. Several Popes have said they do. So there are no dogs in heaven? No I don’t have a Bible near me as I am sitting on my back porch with a Bourbon and cigar. Since you are so smart tell me where animals have souls. If you show me then I will apologize to you and Tarp. I have no clue, as I said even the religious experts disagree. Several Pope's say they do. I guess when you die you will find out.
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 18:11:58 GMT -5
p.s. Cigar brand? Just curious. Attachments:
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 18:32:11 GMT -5
A bit heavy for my palate, but nice choice!
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Post by whitebacon on May 16, 2024 18:45:51 GMT -5
p.s. Cigar brand? Just curious. You know I had to jump in on cigars. So indulge me. In my early years I worked for Capt. Charlie Downing on the Bances. Owner was Frank Llaneza, widely considered one of the best Cigarmen on the planet. First cover of Cigar Afficianado magazine, pardon the spelling. Long story short, when I went to work for Charlie and Frank, 1985 ish, cigar business was in the toilet. Maybe 6-7 years later, he sold to General Cigar for around $92 million. I fished the Oliva Brothers from Oliva Tobacco. The best of the best. All their grandkids are close to me, to this day. I just wanted to say, the cigar business has a special place in my heart. My paternal great grandparents, after coming from Spain, stopped in Cuba, came to Tampa. They couldn't read or write properly, but they learned to hand roll cigars in Ybor City. Pennies a day for pay. Sorry to mess up the thread. The above comments dont disparage the other brands, the commercially successful brands. More power to them.
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Post by whitebacon on May 16, 2024 18:49:09 GMT -5
A bit heavy for my palate, but nice choice! I like light claro, wrappers, not dark maduro. Tell me to shut up about cigars. Please.
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Post by richm on May 16, 2024 19:34:48 GMT -5
I like girly cigars. Just a mild, easy to puff kind of thing. 1 or 2 a year.
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Post by whitebacon on May 16, 2024 19:50:10 GMT -5
I like girly cigars. Just a mild, easy to puff kind of thing. 1 or 2 a year. My story wasn't made up. 16 years old, I learned to "smoke" cigars. Or puff on them. The family's heritage, mine, meant a lot to me. But then I was working for a legend. Their heritage became mine too. I caution anyone listening, or reading, tobacco, in any form is bad. Worse than bad. I do not encourage it, nor condone it. Tobacco is a killer. Causes cancer. I will die from it. So please, any young people reading this, smoking is a dead end. Not to you Rich, I just want to make it abundantly clear, I do not support or condone tobacco use. I'm an almost 40 year smoker. I speak from my heart.
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Post by OhMy on May 16, 2024 20:03:15 GMT -5
I like girly cigars. Just a mild, easy to puff kind of thing. 1 or 2 a year. My story wasn't made up. 16 years old, I learned to "smoke" cigars. Or puff on them. The family's heritage, mine, meant a lot to me. But then I was working for a legend. Their heritage became mine too. I caution anyone listening, or reading, tobacco, in any form is bad. Worse than bad. I do not encourage it, nor condone it. Tobacco is a killer. Causes cancer. I will die from it. So please, any young people reading this, smoking is a dead end. Not to you Rich, I just want to make it abundantly clear, I do not support or condone tobacco use. I'm an almost 40 year smoker. I speak from my heart. Thanks. Anyone listening?
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Post by cracker4112 on May 16, 2024 21:00:34 GMT -5
[/quote]The story checks out all right. Frank was/is a giant in the cigar biz. My favorite of his the Hoya de Monterrey brand.
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Post by restlessnative on May 16, 2024 21:06:28 GMT -5
A clump of cells with no conciseness has just as much right to live as a scared 17 year old meth head. heck, ive left kids to die in the hot desert sands in other countries, millions drowned heading down the shower drain, some falling to there death from the top of a 16ft ladder stand in the middle of the woods. its all about responsibility. TMI
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Post by restlessnative on May 16, 2024 21:07:50 GMT -5
Believe what?
I know what I would say. I was asking the guy who said he wasn't going to post here anymore (or anyone else for that matter) what it is.
You are free to answer as well.
Inmy belief, God made every individual on this earth different. and I also believe that begins at the point of conception. You can see very often, identical, twins, have different personalities and beliefs. Why is that? Because God made everyone special. Everybody is unique, just like everyone else
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Post by whitebacon on May 16, 2024 21:29:41 GMT -5
The story checks out all right. Frank was/is a giant in the cigar biz. My favorite of his the Hoya de Monterrey brand.[/quote] His hand made masterpiece. Next boat, guess the name. A lot of people won't believe what we say. No sense in explaining. I'm grateful that we are friends. Never know where best friends come from. Promise me you say hi back home for me.
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